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# #tough-smr — 2025-04-29
**08:50 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745941805265709):** Mason, could you add this rung to the P_VSD object to allow for SCADA Manual mode:
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**08:50 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745941838416199):** yeah no problem!
**08:51 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745941904953009):** And in the pump tank fill AOI, I need you to add an input for SCADA manual, wiring in PCmd_SCADA_Hand of each pump object into it:
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> **07:31 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746455518013079):**
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> **07:32 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746455569916869):** @andy i did have a quick question on this one if you have a second.
> **07:34 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746455670207739):** you said to feed scada hand of each pump into that input, do you wnat those two hand bits to be fed through an OR? or and AND? meaning do you want either one well in scada hand to light that tank fill scada_manual bit or do both need to be energized? or something else?
> **08:20 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746458433721069):** I’m back tomorrow, I’ll dive into these with you then, or when you have time
> **08:20 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746458445669909):** perfect. thanks
> **10:53 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746554020192659):** I have a fire to put out today, does tomorrow sometime to work to go over SMR details or I can spend 10 minutes before I start off on the other fire?
> **10:54 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746554061068949):** im on a call now. we can try for tomorrow or later
> **10:54 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746554065682849):** just reach out anytime you have some time
> **10:54 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746554075870159):** cool sounds good
**08:52 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745941958915329):** I got to test out these blocks thoroughly yesterday and came up with some changes and wanted to note them while they were fresh.
**08:53 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745941991792679):** yeah perfect.. im testing the VPN and getting online with the PLC now.
**08:53 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745941999291619):** this should only take a second to add. so i'll bust it out
**08:54 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942045624459):** I also ended up doing this kinda weird thing to the pump available input:
It makes sure the pump is in SCADA auto for the pump to be considered available for the auto code
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> **08:17 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1746458258824169):** @andy let me know when you have a few minutes to talk about these changes. just want to make sure i properly implement it the way you want.
**08:54 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942080084799):** are all these offline changes that need to be added to the PLC?
**08:55 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942112349279):** yeah the AOI definition is offline changes, FBD can be made online
**08:55 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942130875899):** VSD definition is offline
**08:55 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942147768599):** i was just curious if you did these edits on your end.. or if you were working online with the PLC here
**08:56 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942168414849):** This is from another project
**08:56 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942172633409):** gotcha..
**08:56 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942185098499):** so to be clear, you want me to implement all the screenshots you just shared?
**08:57 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942246951509):** :+1:
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**09:00 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942437763889):** This one references the high float (in a tank fill application) as a Inp_IntlkOK and Inp_FwdPermOk with the physical HOA Auto or Hand
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**09:00 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942441936469):** yes please
**09:02 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942520299369):** County is on site and can't run the wells in hand, lets not mess with the controller until they get their samples. I'm gonna call Kevin to see if he knows why that might be the case. I wonder if the object is imposing a stop signal.... the stop signal is supposed to be removed if the "enable" input from the drive is false
**09:02 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942572122079):** ok.. i started a download before you sent this. it should be back up in just a second.
**09:03 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942589143969):** I almost expected to have hand issues after our last visit. I think i know why.
**09:03 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942597720779):** cool, they are waiting for my call, that's fine
**09:04 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942653758729):** scada hand should work.. once the download is complete
**09:05 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942700383839):** ok cool we might just do that
**09:05 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942757675789):** ok its back online.. I'll wait to make the rest of the changes until after the county does their thing.
**09:06 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942768517059):** can we set the Hz from SCADA yet?
**09:06 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942777101699):** if you need me to connect to scada or the PLC while they are out there to help facilitate anything. im available.
**09:06 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942778891679):** yes.
**09:06 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942795934549):** oh wait.. set the manual speed? i'll have to check
**09:06 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942817441889):** I'm gonna try it remotely
**09:09 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942948713889):** i'm running flow control SCADA hand baby
**09:09 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942974270099):** that sounds good! working?
**09:09 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942976451199):** high five team
**09:09 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942980708759):** awesome
**09:09 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745942992513729):** yeah I'm going to run them for them for a couple hours
**09:10 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943010786009):** powerflex 70.. now we know. may be some paramter work to get local hand to work again.
**09:10 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943020561039):** and making sure the network stop command isnt issued when the drive is in hand
**09:12 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943142672149):** vpn is working good too. i loaded a perspective client locally and connected no problem
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**09:14 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943271908319):** ok @andy im disconnected for now.. let me know if i can help with anything
**09:15 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943315058379):** the PID is untuned so its flying all over so I"m hoping to manage that
**09:15 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943317656619):** thank you
**09:16 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943399948399):** i love a good PID tuning.. let me know if you want me to take a stab at it.. likely less P so it doesnt react so much to the change in flow rate.. or put some filtering or averaging on the flow value to smooth it out.
**09:22 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943722224989):** yeah that would help, that's probably a good idea. Insane to do this while the are sampling but I don’t want it going crazy either. Try a smaller P value please and try to get eyes on that hz
**09:22 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943743396079):** no sweat. standby
**09:23 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943822703449):** it looks pretty steady to me.. where are you seeing the swings?
**09:24 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943846140139):**
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**09:24 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943890985449):**
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**09:25 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943901550689):** I was seeing swings earlier
**09:25 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943902098339):** flow rate and speed are pretty locked in.. barely moving at the moment
**09:25 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943915533559):** Weird man, I wonder what that was.
**09:25 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943930539699):** i think during the transition.. when the PID takes over.. it wobbles for a minute
**09:25 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943940689919):** I bet it had an oscillation at startup yep exactly
**09:25 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943957791779):** That means we are releasing too soon
**09:25 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943958358309):** i had it hold the PID at the startup speed and use that as the starting point during the transition
**09:26 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745943970181969):** which helped... but yeah..
**09:26 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944003531309):** Thanks for getting eyes on it
**09:26 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944005501969):** but looks great at the moment.
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**09:27 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944035681129):** I raised the setpoint to 80 and that must be more “happy” for the pump
**09:27 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944071637969):** as long as the startup speed is enough to reach the release to PID SP
**09:28 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944098089719):** i could see a situation where the PID never takes over.. (if we dont run the fixed startup speed high ebnough)
**09:28 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944125450929):** but it looks like 37hz is enough to hit 80gpm.. so thats good info
**09:30 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944255096279):** Right absolutely
**09:34 [Kevin](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944445747049):** Thank you for jumping on this Mason
**09:34 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745944459709819):** no problem!
**10:07 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745946422065969):** County got their samples, success!
**11:37 [andy](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745951840772179):** Stridelinx is way better than the phoenix. Got connected, easy.
**11:37 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745951858761449):** awesome! glad to hear it.
**11:38 [Mason Radke](https://slack.com/archives/C08NFJSU753/p1745951883473429):** i like how the whole system works too.. one portal will have all client connections..